Calvin
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Post by Calvin on Mar 1, 2005 21:41:14 GMT -5
In light of the current events, I present Bill #001:
Article I Section A: No person(s) may come onto this site and harass the Administrators / Moderators / Members, on any subject without proper proof available, or they may be subjected to a warning/banning (Whichever the Administrators / Moderators see fit). Section B: If said person(s) persist with harassing any of the Administrators / Moderator / Members after having a warning or being banned, the said person(s) is/are subject to being banned forever from this site. Section C: If the said person(s) persist further still, we, as Administrators / Moderators / Members, hold in our right to report the said person(s) to the Owners of Proboards, with the request that the said person(s) be permanently banned from any and all Proboards sites, and have His/Her/Their Site(s) deleted and/or deleted from any mention on any Proboards Sites.
Feel free to reject/Modify the bill.
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Post by Jango Reiss on Mar 1, 2005 21:50:44 GMT -5
I like it, but Section C seems a little harsh to me.
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Post by SABERinBLUE on Mar 2, 2005 23:53:15 GMT -5
That was me who locked the voting. If another admin wants to unlock it, fine. I just want everyone that knew Jace and Sol consider, for the moment, just what the hell this is turning into. Jace and Sol were our friends. I still count them as my friends. What happened? When did they become the bad guys? I'll tell you when: when they made some mistakes as admins of the first SWRPGalaxy. We who were there know what went down. They got a tad too controlling over some aspects of the RP. Misunderstandings happened. Feelings were hurt. On both sides. Friendships broke down. On both sides. Grudges were formed. On both sides. And I stood by, looking in, thanking God Almighty that I had bowed out months ago for other reasons. Why when this is all said and done are we still harboring ill feelings toward Jace and Sol? What the hell, guys? What did they do to deserve all of this? All they did was limit the RP a bit, and that seems so insanely minor compared to this huge bad rep that they have now. This is stupid, guys. Jace and Sol were great admins for the most part. I had a blast being a mod on their site and making the Stock Lists for them. Their only problem was that they had a vision and expressed it in the wrong medium. Okay? That's it. That's all. They wanted to tell a story and tried to do it, however subliminally, through their RP board. Okay, great. And now this. I don't blame them for being angry. People posting as Guest with their names on the second run of the site they started, acting stupid to make fun of them. torches still being carried about how SWRPG1 became so limiting. It really wasn't all that limiting, guys. I mean, sure, there were some things you couldn't do, and if you wanted to do those things that may have hit closer to home with you, but for God's sake, people, do we set RP above our friends? Is it that important to us?
And yes, I said the word "hell" a couple of times in a non-Biblical sense. I did so because I'm angry. Deal with it. This is rare footage, guys, so I hope you enjoyed it. I don't often get angry, anyone who knows me on these sites knows that, I'm a logic machine who doesn't like to take sides except in a friendly debate. I stayed out of the loop in this whole issue, palying to both sides, and I'm just fed up with the whole thing. Mistakes were made. By both sides. Can't we all just grow up and leave it alone? Forgive and forget!
That's my $0.02, and I'm not mad at you for posting this poll, Calvin. Knowing only what you've seen about this issue, I'd have done the same thing. But there's more to this, more than you know. And more of it was about friendship than many people here are remembering.
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Calvin
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Post by Calvin on Mar 3, 2005 9:31:32 GMT -5
I understand what you're trying to say Saber, and I will agree with you: People matter the most. But come on, have any of you ever seen a person causeing havok on a message board go away at first asking? Remeber Sal(Yeah, he was my pal to, kinda like your 'ex-admins' here, and if I ever saw him around, he still might be) ? For those of you who go to SW.com, have you ever seen a troll leave forever with out socking and spamming first? What about Jedi Master10 (For those of you who go to doug's) ? He came back after being banned as JediMaster30, did he not? Now, I hold nothing against Sal, or JediMaster(And I hope they won't kill me for useing them as an example), but most of the time, the same problems arrise again. Look how the 'Ex-admins' came to us. did they write a formal letter? No. They insulted you(as admins) me (as a member) and ever one else(as members). THEN they came on and wrote a long reply to Jango's remark. What does this tell us? Yes, let by-gones be by-gones, and this time you obviously chose to forgive and forgett...but what about next time? Harrassment is annoyence (SP?) in it's highest form. No doubt you will have to deal with socks, trolls and guest Mini-mods in the future, and that's why I introduced this to you. Not because I'm mad at anyone, or hate anyone, or because I want revenge. I simply wrote it to prevent any thing like what has happened from happening again. This 'Bill' (If you wish to call it that) only reinforces rule # 3: 3. No flameing, swearring,disrespecting others INCLUDING the staff.So yeah, if you plan on just building a grudge with some one over this, don't vote for it. If you want to protect the members here a little more, than go ahead and vote for it. That's all I was going to say. (Geez...I sure talk alot )
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Post by SABERinBLUE on Mar 3, 2005 19:01:34 GMT -5
So yeah, if you plan on just building a grudge with some one over this, don't vote for it. If you want to protect the members here a little more, than go ahead and vote for it. But that's the thing, Cal, all that's behind the animosity anymore are grudges. It's almost becoming some kind of family feud, the kind that star crosses lovers and so forth. It's gotten out of hand. I see the level of contention between people that used to be friends from way back, and then I look at what actually started it: a little bit of limitation in RP, and my mind explodes. It's ridiculous what this has turned into, and Sol and Jace's posts don't hurt anyone. I'm sorry, but I just can't see how some posts in one thread from people who legitimately feel as if the RP world is against them should be tossed aside as spam. I reiterate: there is fault on both sides of the line here. Sol and Jace aren't about to do anything that seriously jeopardizes the peace on these forums. They're better than that. All they did was post how they felt. And everyone here seems to have shut their ears because of something that happened forever ago. The Montagues and the Capulets. It's ridiculous.
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Post by Tia Trilgus on Mar 3, 2005 22:23:31 GMT -5
THis is where I step in..Saber.as early as today..if you go on their old site..in their news fader is a comment made about me and Jango. also continuing jabs and posts so Im sorry but .. and Sol and Jace's posts don't hurt anyone. Is not true. They DO hurt people. They hurt me for one...alot. I may be really sensitive. But you know. I have NEVER treated them them the way I have been treated..EVER. Im willing to put it all behind us and let it die. But They keep comming around and making jabs. I appreciate your faithfulness to them. Cal has a faithfulness to me. So you can understand his support to me and what he perseives as being wrong. Its a matter of oppinion. Im sorry that you can't see how much this has hurt me..or that it really matters to you at all. Star
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Post by SABERinBLUE on Mar 4, 2005 0:10:17 GMT -5
Star, I understand that it's hurt you, I really do. But think about it from their perspective. They made mistakes. Somewhere in there they apologized for the mistakes, but even as the new site was going up people were still making sideways remarks and snide comments about the "controlling admins" of the old site. If you'd apologized for a series of mistakes you made, and people wouldn't stop making remarks about it, wouldn't you get a little irritated? That's why their tone changed. Because no one would let it go. acknowledged the apology, sure, said words of forgiveness, sure, but people still kept talking about it and laughing about it. Laughing at two ex-admins for a handful of mistakes they made amdist a long run of great adminning. When you've got a small number of mistakes under your belt after putting a lot of time and effort into managing a really fun RP site for people for free while putting up with a whole lot of crap *couchcoughAnikancoughcough*, when all that people talk about about that is the handful of mistakes, how would you feel?
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Post by Tia Trilgus on Mar 4, 2005 1:20:27 GMT -5
I understand completely saber...but they continue to fuel the fire. If they would just NOT make comments about others, stop flameing others and their sites ect...then it would blow over, the healing would begin and forgiveness could start. You cant say "Im sorry" then turn and do it again 5 min later..over and over.I never once laughed at them, nor flamed them. I have always tried to take the higher road. People deemed them "controlling admins" because that was what the gave as a perception. Having " I control the members" in your signature..doesnt make friends... Look..im so over this. I have spent the last 7 months appologizing to them for things I never even did...I forgave them. All I ask is they leave me, Jango KYLE , Waldo, Cal and others alone and stop harrassing. Thats it. Oh, and World Peace as well! Star
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Post by SABERinBLUE on Mar 4, 2005 2:15:37 GMT -5
That's what all the feuding families say. "I don't want to keep fighting, they just force me to protect what's mine." It sounds reasonable from one side's point of view. It also sounds reasonable from the other side's point of view.
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Jedi-Master-30
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Post by Jedi-Master-30 on Mar 4, 2005 15:02:52 GMT -5
What about Jedi Master10 (For those of you who go to doug's) ? He came back after being banned as JediMaster30, did he not? Now, I hold nothing against Sal, or JediMaster(And I hope they won't kill me for useing them as an example) I apologized for all the stuff i did but jedimaster doug still did not un bann me when i did that i was going through a REALLY BAD TIME and for anybody who was there I AM SORRY
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Calvin
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Post by Calvin on Mar 4, 2005 17:45:23 GMT -5
I apologized for all the stuff i did but jedimaster doug still did not un bann me when i did that i was going through a REALLY BAD TIME and for anybody who was there I AM SORRY I wasn't there at the time, but none of us think the less of you for it (Sorry for using you as an example. I'll ask next time.). I'm staying out of this for the time being to see what happens. Saber, you have a wonderful view, seeing all sides of the issue, and you've made some fine points. Star has done the same. *Sits on a large rock and watches as they continue.*
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A Rose by Any Other Name
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Post by A Rose by Any Other Name on Mar 4, 2005 18:00:03 GMT -5
The Montagues and the Capulets. It's ridiculous. yeah, the whole situation has gone a little too far.
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Calvin
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Post by Calvin on Mar 4, 2005 18:20:54 GMT -5
yeah, the whole situation has gone a little too far. I know this is off topic, but what IS a Rose by any other name? Is it a flower than? Or what do you call it? (Sorry, curiosity got the better of me)
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Sorry for the confusion Calvin
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Post by Sorry for the confusion Calvin on Mar 4, 2005 18:25:49 GMT -5
I know this is off topic, but what IS a Rose by any other name? Is it a flower than? Or what do you call it? (Sorry, curiosity got the better of me) HAHAHAHA, it was from Romeo and Juliet, which Saber mention when he said "the Montagues and the Capulets" the fueding families from that play.
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Post by Calvin on Mar 4, 2005 18:28:38 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA, it was from Romeo and Juliet, which Saber mention when he said "the Montagues and the Capulets" the fueding families from that play. Ouch, my fault. (I thought it sounded familair )
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