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Post by Calvin on Apr 1, 2005 17:17:32 GMT -5
thep oint still is, they belive in the same god as us, just in a different way. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) The 'oint'? The 'point' is that they don't.
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Post by Yuar Nedra on Apr 1, 2005 18:10:09 GMT -5
ok, how do they not believe in the same god? They believe in the prophets, even in Jesus, they pray to him, believe in heaven and hell, they just call him a different name. It's just like those who are christians and call god Jehova. They stil lbelieve in him. At least that what Muslims say.
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Post by Calvin on Apr 1, 2005 18:13:33 GMT -5
ok, how do they not believe in the same god? They believe in the prophets, even in Jesus, they pray to him, believe in heaven and hell, they just call him a different name. It's just like those who are christians and call god Jehova. They stil lbelieve in him. At least that what Muslims say. dvlp.briomag.com/briomagazine/briobeyond/a0005733.html
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Post by Calvin on Apr 1, 2005 19:13:49 GMT -5
from the link provided: I wonder if most Christians really understand that Muslims do not worship our same God. “Yes, they do,” many argue. “They just call God Allah, and we call Him Jehovah.”
That’s not correct. Jehovah God of the Bible is extremely personal and intimately involved in the history of mankind. This is called “theism” (God intertwined with history). The Islamic view of God is “deistic” (God created but disengaged from the earth’s daily affairs). Allah is impersonal and not involved providentially. To Christians, “the Lord willing” speaks of His hand on history. To Muslims, “God willing” is surrender to a type of “what will be, will be.”
read the whole thing. It's worth your while.
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Post by Floink on Apr 2, 2005 1:02:56 GMT -5
I didn't post before, but I decided to Join in. I was the other person to put Roman Catholic.
The difference between Muslims, Christians, and Jews is that Christians believe that Jesus was the Son of God and follow the Bible. The Muslims follow the Koran(or is it Qur'an?), written by a prophet named Mohammad, which has similar stories to that of the bible but from a different perspective(God's). They also believe in Jesus but that he was a very important prophet rather than the Son of God. Jews follow the bible, but only the Old Testament. They are still awaiting the arrival of their savior. All of them worship the same god(by different names, in the case of Muslims) but with different beliefs about how he is to be worshipped.
I'm pretty sure these facts are true, but if not, you'll be no less ignorant. Also, I would appreciate it if nobody here would confuse fact with opinion by saying that any other religion is wrong.
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Post by Floink on Apr 2, 2005 1:27:17 GMT -5
oops, I forgot to read the second page before posting... here's my response:
the three main points they had(taken from the site) were: 1. God is both deeply personal and highly impersonal.
2. Salvation is based entirely on unmerited grace offered through the sacrificial death of God himself and is based entirely on the works one does on earth.
3. God is three complete, individual personalities in one — the Father, Son and Holy Spirit — while at the same time is repulsed by the idea of being anything but one person.
Responses: 1. yes, God is the all-powerful, all-knowing, omnipresent everything so he must his own opposite but we focus on the a different side than the Muslims
2. well, this is true to a point depending on your denomination... Catholics believe that though we are allowed to enter heaven because of the grace offered by Jesus' death, we must first go through purgatory to make up for our sins. So basically, how soon we get to heaven depends on what sins we have left to redeem ourselves for
3. after reading what the article had to say on this point, it sounded to me more like it was because of the Muslim's inability to comprehend a three-in-one deity rather than that Allah himself was repulsed by the idea.
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Post by Yuar Nedra on Apr 11, 2005 21:44:02 GMT -5
Completely agree floink
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Post by Calvin on Apr 14, 2005 15:41:58 GMT -5
The real difference between christians and muslims, is the fact that the Koran tells Muslims to kill Christians and Jews, but the bible doesn't tell us to kill anyone. Same God? I think not, for the God of the Bible is unchanging.
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Post by Yuar Nedra on Apr 14, 2005 21:11:04 GMT -5
cpuld you show me a quote that says that?
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Post by Calvin on Apr 15, 2005 16:20:53 GMT -5
cpuld you show me a quote that says that? yes. www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills.htmwww.total-design.net/qol/imam.htmFrom the second link: After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation he replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?" The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!" The Imam was speechless.
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Post by Yuar Nedra on Apr 17, 2005 18:45:28 GMT -5
lol sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was asking where in the Koran it says that. Just because one fanatical muslim says it doesn't mean all do. 99% of muslims in europe and america believe in peace. I recently saw a documentary about that. And the series 30 days will be doing a thing on that in america this june.
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Post by Calvin on Apr 29, 2005 13:20:54 GMT -5
lol sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was asking where in the Koran it says that. Just because one fanatical muslim says it doesn't mean all do. 99% of muslims in europe and america believe in peace. I recently saw a documentary about that. And the series 30 days will be doing a thing on that in america this june. But is that what they want us to think? (That sounds funny, I wish I could say that in real life. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) )
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Post by Yuar Nedra on Apr 29, 2005 20:27:27 GMT -5
LOL So it's all a huge conspiracy against everyone else? and 1 billion people ar ein on it? ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Kitiara Kaale on Apr 30, 2005 13:30:07 GMT -5
I'm a Protestant. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Yuar Nedra on May 2, 2005 20:51:24 GMT -5
cool ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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